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Hoover

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iconnumber posted 02-04-2003 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hoover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The markings on this one are clear, but most of my books only cover until early 1900s. This is supposedly a child's spoon - can anyone confirm that?

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 02-05-2003 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An interesting piece. Your English sterling hallmarks are for Sheffield, 1935-36. The last mark is a rare optional "Silver Jubilee" mark, commemorating King George V's 25th year on the throne. According to the books, though, the Jubilee mark should only be found with the date letters for 1933-34 and 34-35, so yours is an oddity, perhaps leftover stock.

As for the piece, it appears to be an Etiquette or Mustache spoon. These spoons were designed to allow men with mustaches to sip their soup without getting it in their whiskers. It might also be a pap spoon, or infant feeder, but I have never seen one shaped like this. Perhaps someone else can help out here.

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doobees

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iconnumber posted 02-06-2003 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doobees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks - I have been trying to find a photo of an Etiquette or mustache spoon. I have another that is quite a bit smaller and would like to compare these to a photo. Any advice on a link where I could find this. All I've found so far is info on what it is and why it's used, but nary a photo!

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 02-06-2003 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For doobees:

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 02-06-2003 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is from the Turner book (page 219), assume that doobees has the smaller tea spoon as opposed to the dessert, though the reprint doesn't give the sizes.

Seems to me that I have seen this shape described as a pap spoon, but can't seem to remember where.

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doobees

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iconnumber posted 02-06-2003 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doobees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all the help. I looked up pap spoons:
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This old engraved English style pap spoon probably dates to the late 1790's and was probably made in one of the English provinces that did not have a hall marking office.

The marks are not full English marks, but they do contain a monarch head duty tax stamp



A classic old English style pap spoon. This spoon is hand made but the only mark is 0925. From this limited information I suspect that it is probably South American, and I would also suspect that it is 19th century. This style of spoon was made for several hundred years.


I don't think it's a pap spoon judging from the photo on page 6 of that site. My spoons are not angled, but outside of that they do appear to be etiquette spoons. Merci beaucoup.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 02-06-2003 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is from an 1898 Gorham catalog:


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doobees

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iconnumber posted 03-04-2003 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doobees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not to bring up an old subject that died a natural death, but I am often finding that here In europe, there seems to be discrepencies on what these types of things were used for. It's so far been unanimous that these spoons are to train children to eat with a spoon... I'm coming up with the same thing for the "sugar crusher" spoons. Here they keep telling me it's to crush and administer medicine... Do you think this is just a case of mistaken identity of the pieces - or were they really made here for different uses? Anyone have info on this? I can find lots of references to American silver pieces and their uses, but here the info seems to be harder to verify. I can't seem to come up with any history of old French tableware on Google.fr or at the french or english bookstores. Any suggested readings?

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 03-04-2003 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You might try the book Silverware by Alain Gruber which documents European usage of silver. SMPublications has a copy of this book for sale. For further info on this book, see link below.
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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 03-04-2003 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, I'm not crazy, finally figured out where I'd seen this design as a pap spoon! Sending a page from Rainwater's Spoons Around the World. Shows what she describes as pap or caudle spoons. Number 524 (lower left) has a stork on the handle, pointing toward its use as a child's piece. Little different design, perhaps 526 and 527 (top of page) were misidentified, or maybe they were marketed both ways.

Cheryl ;o)

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doobees

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iconnumber posted 03-06-2003 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doobees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Merci Beaucoup! This is just what I wanted to know. You're info was great and so were the photos. Thank you so much for taking the time to post them.

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