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t-man-nc

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2004 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for t-man-nc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[23-0032 08-0217]

Callie not sure it is or it isn't but this is the mark on a pair of salt spoons i just got a couple of weeks ago.... Any idea of who made them or if they are as I suppose from Newbrunswick...

Thanks "Smaug"

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Arg(um)entum

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2004 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Arg(um)entum     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
William Norris Venning, Saint John NB, known 1813-1871. That's according to the Unitts, so it needs to be considered a bit tentative. Maybe Callie has more information.

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2004 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also Venning as given in Langdon and in MacKay.

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Callie

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2004 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Callie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Langdon references are

p. 138 of Canadian Silversmiths 1700-1900. San Francisco, Alan Wofsy Fine Arts, 1990.

and

p. 117 of Canadian Silversmiths and their Marks, 1667-1867. Lunenburg, VT, Stinehour Press, 1960.

Another excellence reference is p. 256 of Arts in New Brunswick, co-edited by R.A. Tweedi, Fred Cogswell and W. Stewart MacNutt, pub. by University Press of New Brunswick in 1967

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Arg(um)entum

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iconnumber posted 08-19-2004 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Arg(um)entum     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do these various references show the exact mark on t-man's piece?

It matches the Unitt one. OTH the pocket Langdon (1968) shows two quite different marks for Venning but not this one.

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Callie

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iconnumber posted 08-19-2004 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Callie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both Langdon's incl. photos of the W.V.N.B.stamp, with various combinations following it. There's no illustration exactly the same as t-man's.

However, the Tweedie book contains a verbal description: "The marks on this silver vary. Sometimes only the initials W.V. and N.B. appear with the hall marks of a lion, an anchor and the leopard head. Pieces have been found with the initials W.V. and J. for Saint John, and N.B.. Others have W. and the name VENNING spelled out in full. It is fortunate that some of the Venning silver until recently remained in the hands of the family descendants so that there was an opportunity of authenticating the many marks used.

Hope this helps.


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t-man-nc

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2004 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for t-man-nc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This great... I will see if I can locate some more in the boxes of the unidentified pieces and post them with smaller pictures in the future.

Thanks for all your help Folks... "Smaug"

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nihontochicken

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iconnumber posted 09-01-2004 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nihontochicken     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Canadian salt spoons seem to be currently in vogue! Just for grins, here are the "hallmarks" for such a 19th c. spoon recently identified on the General Silver Forum, which piece I had at first thought was American.

How much Canadian silver was made relative to American and Brit production in the 1800s? This is my first in-hand piece of Canadian silver, so I guess there is not much of it about. It was a good learning piece, alerted me as to what to look for. BTW, might anyone be able to identify the family represented by the "seahorse"? TIA!

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