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Scotia Posts: 125 |
posted 05-14-2005 02:31 PM
  
Hi there, I am researching this teaspoon for a friend of mine. It looks to be Scottish but does not seem to correspond to any known marks. It looks like "R" and a gothic "S" or back to front "B" struck thrice on the reverse. Could this be colonial? IP: Logged |
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Silver Lyon Posts: 363 |
posted 05-14-2005 02:39 PM
There it is! Could the mark actually be one maker's mark struck twice, once normally and the second time rotated by 180 degrees? For instance it could have been P.S, but when the upside-down S.d (or thereabouts) is struck you get hybrids of this nature. This is quite common is Scotland where a spoon is either sold or given on sale-or return by the maker to a third party. If you think that it could be P.S, please confirm and we will try and take this a little further. IP: Logged |
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Scotia Posts: 125 |
posted 05-14-2005 03:05 PM
Hi, I have had a closer look through an eyeglass and there is definitely something strange about the marks. It is not clear enough to see if it is PS, but could well be. I'll try and photograph it through the eyeglass. all three marks look to be identical. IP: Logged |
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Scotia Posts: 125 |
posted 05-14-2005 03:16 PM
Well, that was a bit tricky. Don't know if its any better, but here we go: IP: Logged |
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Silver Lyon Posts: 363 |
posted 05-14-2005 03:29 PM
You are really good at this. I think that he has struck it as I suggest (you can see the stem and bottom serif of the P in the reversed punch) but with the left hand P side of the punch downward, so that the S part of the overstrike is really very light. The die from which the spoon is struck is an Edinburgh die. I would suggest that P.S is an Edinburgh (or Canongate - it doesn't make much difference by this date) maker of c.1825-45 who is supplying a peripathetic tinker and therefore sees no need to either pay the assay charges or the King's duty. I don't have a 'New' Jackson to hand, but feel sure that the maker will be found within its Edinburgh pages. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 05-14-2005 04:50 PM
A bit of "tweaking" for clarity:  I believe this is a damaged punch - an R and perhaps an I? And all are right side up. Or else the marks are just dirty and need a good cleaning? IP: Logged |
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Scotia Posts: 125 |
posted 05-14-2005 05:55 PM
Hi, Thanks for the info Silver Lyon. There is a Peter Spalding listed for Canongate but he is too early. Also, a Peter Sutherland of Edinburgh, which would fit the timeframe. Swarter - The marks are definitely corrupt, but I don't think the second character could be an "I". Thanks for cleaning up the image. IP: Logged |
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davidm Posts: 10 |
posted 06-05-2005 02:37 PM
I suspect this spoon is also Indian Colonial, Scotia did it come from the same source as the Dormieux spoon? Wilkinson also records a maker RS from Calcutta circa 1830, although he could not trace the silversmith's name. The mark looks similar to Scotia's, and Wilkinson also records a spoon that only has the makers mark and tallymark (no pseudo marks), so this maker is known to have only used his initials as a hallmark. IP: Logged |
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Silver Lyon Posts: 363 |
posted 06-05-2005 03:26 PM
With all due respect, David, I don't think that the spoon looks heavy enough to be Indian Colonial. The decoration is all die-struck in the typical manner of flatware produced in Edinburgh; even Newcastle single-struck Kings is distinctively different. Scotia, it would be interesting to hear your comment apropos the weight. As an additional piece of 'evidence', Indian Colonial Silver when it is makers mark only (which is VERY rarely and usually only on early pieces) is normally only found struck ONCE. IP: Logged |
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Scotia Posts: 125 |
posted 06-10-2005 11:12 AM
Hi there, No it wasn't from the same source as the Dormieux spoon. My friend asked me if I could find out anything about it. As for weight, it is not particularly heavy or light, just average for its type. Sorry I haven't had a chance to reply sooner, was away to the better weather for a while! Thanks for all the replies. IP: Logged |
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