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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 05-20-2008 07:04 PM
This was going to be an inquiry but the question I will come to is a bit of a long shot so perhaps I am just sharing some unusual variants of early spoon types.
This is a Hanoverian tablespoon, London, 1708, by Andrew Archer. It has a rattail in place of the usual sharp ridge along the front of the stem.
And this is a Hanoverian teaspoon with maker's mark only, very worn but seems to be that entered by Thomas Hannam in 1720. It has a more massive rattail along the stem.
Next is a Dognose tablespoon. It has had a hard life. The only mark still legible is the leopard's head erased. One side of the stem has been slightly trimmed, presumably to remove damage. It too has a massive rattail down the stem. Gask, Old Silver Spoons of England, Plate XXVII, illustrates a similar spoon of 1714. It seems likely my spoon is also from around that date. Over the years I have only seen a handful of spoons with the massive rattail feature, and only the example I own and its pair with the more modest rattail. On the evidence of the three spoons shown I might be tempted to suggest that the more modest version came first to be superseded by the more massive version, though neither version caught on sufficiently to become widespread. However, three examples, only one of which can be properly dated, cannot be taken as definitive. So to the question, which is simply whether anybody can offer more information about the date range for this rattail feature or about known makers who used it. I should add that the more modest rattail re-appears on slightly later Hanoverian spoons as part of a rare decorative pattern - the sort of thing that came from the De Lamerie workshop. The example below is probably from the 1730s. It is unmarked which was not unusual when De Lamerie (or others) were supplying items directly to a customer.
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argentum1 Posts: 602 |
posted 05-22-2008 08:43 AM
Goodmorning, at least in my part of the world. Correct me if I am wrong. What you are calling a 'rattail' is known to me as a 'midrib'. The rattail is located on the backside of the bowl end. The midrib on early spoons was nearly or slightly more than half the length of the handle. As time goes by the midrib disappears only to reappear as very shortened versions that eventually appear only as a very short midrib which has moved to either the front or back of the end tip of the handle. Photos would be most helpful but I am time limited today. IP: Logged |
agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 05-22-2008 11:14 AM
Argentum 1 "Divided by a single language" as they say!
The unusual feature on the spoons in my first post is that in place of this sharp ridge there is a rounded version that others in the UK have described as a rattail, presumably because its cross-section is similar to that of the rattail on the back of a bowl. IP: Logged |
swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 05-22-2008 08:02 PM
These two threads from the "Early American" Forum contain discussions and illustrations that relate to this topic and therefore may be of interest: c. 1735 Adrian Bancker coin silver spoon Travelling silversmith, well-travelled spoon IP: Logged |
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