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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 08-06-2009 09:50 AM
  
Here are six spoons that are each about five and an eighth inches long. They came as a group and look they were in the same household and bought as needed. They are in two different styles with the plain spoon having the more elongated drop and the other one having a well worn armorial and a simpler drop. The makers are not to be found in my meager references. Any help would be greatly appreciated. IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 08-06-2009 11:19 AM
I may have the reference books but I am the world's worst at getting marks right - all too prone to overlook some crucial difference between similar looking marks. However, I think you have spoons by Thomas Northcote & George Bourne 1794, Thomas Wallis II 1801 and Stephen Adams II 1835. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 08-06-2009 11:37 AM
Great! Thank you very much. The date letter that goes along with the "Stephen Adams II" mark looked like 1795/6 to me. However, you have given me a tememdous start with this much information. IP: Logged |
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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 08-06-2009 01:35 PM
The "U" date letter is indeed 1795, not 1834. It can be tricky with date letters that look about the same in upper and lower-caser, and the shapes of the surrounds are rarely consistent. In every case here, the monarch's head shows George III, not William IV. Brent IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 08-06-2009 03:47 PM
In that case the maker's mark is for Stephen Adams I (the father). The father's mark should have a pellet between the letters which the son's lacks - not sure whether I can spot a pellet in the pictures. Anyhow, I did warn you about my unreliability with marks! IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 08-06-2009 04:20 PM
Thank you Brent. And no problem agphile. I do have to say that there are three of these spoons with the "SA" mark, and none of them have a hint of a pellet. By the way, the "SA" marked spoons all have the longer and thinner drop. Thanks again. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 08-06-2009).] IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 08-06-2009 04:34 PM
Just checked the biographies in my Grimwade rather than relying on memory. The mark is after all that of the son who entered his first mark in 1792,probably following the retirement of his father with whom he had been in partnership. I had been thinking the changeover was a bit later. Moral: check one's facts before putting finger to keyboard! IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 08-06-2009 05:01 PM
 May your research never become so convoluted again. Of course we know it will.At any rate, thanks so much. IP: Logged |
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Clive E Taylor Posts: 450 |
posted 08-06-2009 05:19 PM
A diagnostic tool for dating post 1785 London silver of the Georgian period is the Assay Mark . If the Lion Passant is looking AT you (the Lion Passant Guardant ) it is pre 1823. After May 1822 the punches were changed so that lion looks in the direction he's walking. So the SA mark is the date letter "u" for 1795/96 , not that of 1835/36 IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 08-06-2009 05:38 PM
Clive, I need you by my side whenever I am checking silver marks. You would think I might have learnt after 30 odd years of collecting but I seem to have a blind spot. Not sure whether to blame the weakness on my eyes or my brain but probably the latter. Have you had a good time cruising the waterways this wet summer? IP: Logged |
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