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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 02-23-2010 07:52 AM
  
I'd love to know the maker for this set of four candlesticks, given to my grandparents as a wedding gift in 1907. As I remember, the date letter is 1903--but I still don't have any books that list more recent silversmiths...can anyone illuminate me? IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 02-23-2010 08:42 AM
Hawkesworth Eyre and Co, Sheffield (not Birmingham)1904. The firm was established in 1833 as successors to Blagden, Hodgson & Co in Sheffield. IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 02-23-2010 02:38 PM
My face is red. I meant Sheffield. Now if I only knew whether they were bought in NYC or given by English friends...Would Sheffield sterling pieces have been retailed in London stores? These are clearly copied from 1760s Adamesque models, pretty closely, too. IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 02-23-2010 06:06 PM
Yes, they could have been retailed n London. (Incidentally, the company also registered marks in London as was common and had a London as well as a Sheffield address - not sure whether a shop or just an office in London) IP: Logged |
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agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 02-23-2010 06:59 PM
Agphile – Ulysses, Can I piggyback on here – how do you find more recent English makers from the last century and this one? The Hall (Assay Office) does not give access and I do not think there are books. I would love to be able to look up contemporary marks especially for London. IP: Logged |
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nautilusjv Posts: 253 |
posted 02-23-2010 11:49 PM
Beautiful candlesticks! IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 02-24-2010 12:30 PM
Agleopar: I don't have an answer for 20th and 21st century marks. Fallon's "London Goldsmiths and Silversmiths 1837-1914" is still useful for the companies that remained in business. For example, some spoons I had made last year as Christmas presents for my daughters bear the same mark that Fallon shows as entered in 1909 (though it is a very different company now). When it comes to individual designer silversmiths, I imagine the marks of the more famous, more collected or more prolific may feature on one or more of the websites devoted to marks but I haven't checked and don't know of any single comprehensive source. I only know the marks of the few individuals I have bought from, and I have myself been frustrated in trying to identify the maker of a modern piece I bought second-hand. Sorry I cannot be more helpful but perhaps somebody else may be able to chip in and put us out of our misery. Ulysses: When it comes to Birmingham/Sheffield and many other possibilities for confusion I am all too prone to similar slips of the tongue/typing finger. I like to think it is because my mind is on higher things than such mundane detail. My family will offer less complimentary explanations. Next time they do so, I shall cite a distinguished curator in my defence. David [This message has been edited by agphile (edited 02-24-2010).] IP: Logged |
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agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 02-24-2010 09:34 PM
Agphile, you have confirmed what I feared, that there is no system in place. How disappointing and what an opportunity for Goldsmiths Hall if they do want to promote the trade (and how easy in the digital age). Thank you for explaining. Out of curiosity what firm still exists that is that old and would make spoons, Wakely and Wheeler, Asprey? Comins and Vanders are gone, who’s left? I would love to know who RC is from about 1972. I worked with Richard Costain at that time but I think this is a different maker. Ulysses, I think when Sheffield and Birmingham petitioned for assay offices they met in the Crown and Anchor pub and tossed a coin for which would be the mark for each city. Ok that is my very fuzzy recollection (I am too lazy to go check) and since the marks have no historic relation to the cities I never remember which goes with which. IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 02-25-2010 01:42 PM
Agleopar, it's Wakeley and Wheeler. The spoonmaker there is Jeff Francis. Here is a pic of some of the spoons in question. They are excellently made and substantial spoons, but don't blame Jeff for the design which I specified. David P.S. I can't help with RC but shall hunt around and let you know if I turn anything up. IP: Logged |
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