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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 08-07-2006 09:49 AM
  
[26-1161] Hope nobody minds too much, but thought it might be worthwhile to master the image posting portion of participating in this forum before trying the "real thing." IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 08-08-2006 10:36 PM
Now that you have mastered the art of posting pictures, and you have quite well, what is your question? Presumably you want to know when it was made and why there is no date letter. Your spoon was made by Dorothy Langlands in Newcastle, between the years of 1821 and 1829. Even though there is no date letter, the shapes of the duty mark (George IV) and the three castle town mark are diagnostic of this period. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 08-09-2006 04:36 AM
Hello, Here's a little bit about myself in connection with silver: I was first "bit by the silver bug" when I bought a beautiful scottish sterling silver mustard ladle in the Barrows, a huge flea market in Glasgow, Scotland, many years ago. The ladle was in the kings pattern, single struck, perfectly symmetrical and so well made, and of course it had those interesting british hallmarks. Every since then I've been on the look out for great silver pieces at a good price, and along the way an appreciation for american silver was also developed. All that said, in truth I am a seller. I buy to sell, even though I appreciate silver greatly. Of course, I will be sensitive to the rules of this site, and I will not be seeking information strictly to use for a quick sale of an item, but I am what I am. IP: Logged |
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Silver Lyon Posts: 363 |
posted 08-09-2006 08:25 AM
To add a little... John Langlands II (His father, John Langlands I was also a goldsmith) married Dorothy Storey, the daughter of a successful London goldsmith. John Langlands II died (aged 31) on May 4th 1804 and his widow, as was the custom when there was a son potentially to inherit the business, continued the business. Thus DL mark starts in mid 1804 and continues until 1814 when Dorothy retires (her son had decided to be a tanner and not a goldsmith!). Marks without date letters are so difficult to place with certainty!  Can we see a close-up of the 'bright-cut' engraving please? IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 08-09-2006 09:58 AM
Strictly practicing posting images. Many thanks for the run down on the spoons though. Will definitely watch the thread rule in the future. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 08-09-2006 12:44 PM
Silver Lyon is of course correct and his usual diplomatic self. These shield shapes were also used between 1800 and 1804 (Jackson's table) and not 1800 - 1802 as shown in Bannister's table, which I was using. Dorothy Langland's mark was entered in 1804, the last year in which these punches were used, so this object was made in 1804. Not difficult at all, given the right information! Below is another example of these marks in which the space around the sovereign's head more closely matches the one in the tables. One or more of these marks appear ro be from different punches. The sovereign's head for 1804/5 is in a conforming outline, and so this is not due to the changeover from the 1803/4 punches. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 08-09-2006 04:53 PM
I'm out of town at the moment, but sometime next week I'll post a close up of the brightcut decoration. It doesn't quite suit my taste; seems a just a little on the crude side, but it's nice enough. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 08-15-2006 09:21 PM
Sorry I won't be able to do the close up. I no longer have the spoons, and enlarging the original image just distorts it. Definitely appreciate your interest though.
[This message has been edited by bascall (edited 08-15-2006).] IP: Logged |
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adelapt Posts: 418 |
posted 08-17-2006 02:28 PM
Let's see... Bascall enquires initially 08-07-2006. On 08-09-2006 says "...I will not be seeking information strictly to use for a quick sale..." On 08-15-2006 says "I no longer have the spoons..." HMM! IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 08-17-2006 02:54 PM
Good points Adelpat. Feeling used, and I didn't even post on this thread. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 08-17-2006 11:22 PM
I'm very, very sorry if I've offended anyone. I did truly initially set out to just get the hang of posting an image first and foremost. The spoons in the practice image were already out of my hands when the posting was done. It was just a decent looking image that was already on my ftp site. I did not ask for any information about the spoons. However, any thing that I have learned about them was very much appreciated. Please believe me; there was no harm intended of any kind. I will keep my word concerning the information that I gain from this site. I've just seen so many bungled attempts at posting images (my own included) that a practice run seemed worthwhile. My mistake. If you'll feel the need to ban me from your site, I will understand. I am a seller. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 08-17-2006).] [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 08-17-2006).] IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 08-18-2006 12:07 AM
It is true you never asked a question, but no one ever posts without one, so the assumption was natural. If the spoons were already gone, and the close-up you intended to post was not a new picture to be taken, but only an enlargement of an existing picture that didn't work out, then you are within the guidelines and there is "no harm, no foul." You must realize, however that it could have sounded otherwise to those of us who have had some very bad experiences in the past, and, had it gone uncorrected, could have encouraged others to do the same in the future. You are not the only member who is a seller, and most manage to walk the line fairly well. Sorry your introduction to the forums was a bit rough, but you probably now can understand why. It is apparent from your other postings that your interests go beyond merely selling, so welcome to the forums. We look forward to your continued participation. [This message has been edited by swarter (edited 08-18-2006).] IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 08-18-2006 12:37 AM
Thank you! There is so much that is good about this site that I couldn't possibly have any complaints. Naturally, I wish I'd never done the practice run at this point, but I did. That was my mistake. IP: Logged |
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adelapt Posts: 418 |
posted 08-18-2006 07:41 AM
Welcome and good luck! IP: Logged |
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