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r1251

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2006 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for r1251     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those potentially interested...New revised files for the free-access two volume Scottish silver book, Compendium of Scottish Silver Volumes 1 and 2, were loaded this week onto the Cornell Dspace (Cornell University's open access Digital Library). The files are free for personal use downloads and are fully searchable. They can be accessed via the Cornell Dspace or are also easily found by clicking on the book covers at: [<gone from the internet> scottishsilverarchives.com] www.scottishsilverarchives.com

Note as per appropriate disclosure, I am the first author of the free-access volumes.

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2006 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Prof. D., Welcome! I'm another Cornellian, although we've never met to my knowledge, and I posted information on your project in the British Isles forum last month. Good to know of the update.

How inclusive are your parameters? Nineteenth-century flatware, for example, is not too uncommon; are you interested in all such examples?

I also have a rather nice Onslow-pattern haggis spoon, discussed in this thread (stuffing Spoon for Thanksgiving).

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 06-17-2006 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome Rodney.

See: Compedium of Scottish Silver

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feniangirl

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iconnumber posted 06-23-2006 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for feniangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ordered a hard copy of the Compendium just prior to the revision, so they were holding off shipping my order until they were completed - hopefully it will arrive soon.
It's great that Cornell has made it available online for free; however, since I'm still dealing with a modem, a hard copy was the only way to go.

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adelapt

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iconnumber posted 06-23-2006 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelapt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did enquire twice via the website asking for cost + postage for the two volumes, as I'm incurably wedded to print. As for replies - not a sausage!

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 06-23-2006 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There do seem to be some kinks in the system, which is relatively new. I have a response on the question of purchasing in the office, will see if I can post relevant information later.

For the curious: It's an initiative to allow more efficient and affordable publishing of scholarly works that publishers expect to have a limited audience. Published traditionally, such books carry extremely high prices in order to try to recover the cost of production on limited sales -- which of course has the effect of further reducing sales, since fewer people can justify the expense. (Some years ago now, the tax law was changed so that publishers have to pay tax on their inventory; before that, they could keep old books warehoused for decades at virtually no cost, and took a long-term view to cost-recovery, but since then they have to turn them over more quickly.) Using this new model, which involves electronic delivery and print-on-demand technology, gets around that cost.

From the buyers' and readers' perspective, this is a great thing. From the authors' perspective it's a little more ambiguous: there's less likelihood of royalities, since many are likely to just download the work (although academic press royalties typically would barely buy you a good dinner out, there is still a feeling of reward that comes with them), but more importantly for academics, such publications are not likely to carry the same weight in dossiers for tenure and promotion as a "real" book from a "real" university press. Academic politics can be incredibly petty, and junior scholars can't take many chances - they have to go for what their departments define as "important" presses.

FWIW, I'm giving serious consideration to this publishing system for my Ithaca silversmiths book. When I was an unemployed academic I was going to publish it myself so as to keep as much as possible of the profits, but since I have a job now that's less crucial. And I like the idea of being able to make the information available more cheaply, while still getting at least a little professional credit for my work.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 06-23-2006 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it is great that references such as this are being made available on the web. Thanks!

Your comments about prohibitive publishing costs of limited selling academic books and publishers not wanting to hold stock made me think of a book I recently purchased where this is not the case. One of my numerous other interests is Chinese bronze coins from the Han dynsasty through the Northern Song dynasty - from 206 BC to about 1127 AD. There are few collectors of these things so reference books are few and far between - especially ones in English since it doesn't really pay for a publisher to print one and hold onto the stock forever. But recently, a new reference book on these was written by a well known expert in these, David Hartill, and published under a new system whereby a specialty book publisher uses the advantages of modern technology and prints copies of books only as they are ordered. I don't know how many such companies there are that do this sort of "on demand" printing and distribution of specialty books but you might want to look into it.

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 06-23-2006 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The cost I was quoted for the 2-volume Compendium is $37.40 + postage, with payment by check or credit card. Inquiries can go to digital@cornell.edu -- I think I can safely post the email on the web, since it's already out there in many places.

Cornell's D-Space project is a print-on-demand service, but with an academic focus. I've written for other PoD projects before, and I think it's a good system. The nice thing about D-Space is there's some regulation of the quality of the work, helping to solve the greatest weakness of most PoD services. There's nothing quite like sending off $40 or $50 for someone's PoD book only to get it and find that it's full of mistakes, or has no new information. Of course that can happen even with editorial oversight, but at least this improves your odds a bit....

[This message has been edited by FWG (edited 06-23-2006).]

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r1251

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iconnumber posted 09-07-2006 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for r1251     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Response to Compendium questions.--Thanks for the comments and questions. Great to hear there are Cornelians on this board.

Yes the Cornll DSpace does operate with print copies at cost usually with no author royalties(none for this book). This specific publishing program (Internet-First University Press)had been grant-supported to cover the graphic art costs, etc. Open-access digital publishing is really part of the university's land-grant mandate, etc. to get information to the public (as a tax-payer support institution).

I checked recently on the hard copy purchases of the Compendium which were being handled though the Cornell University print shop. They were concerned as the shipping costs to the UK (using their normal carrier) were costing multiples of the actual cost for the book. That was not particularly acceptable. Last week, the print book orders were transfered to the University Book Store (which is more accustomed to international shipments and may be able to use a book rate that can pertain internationally, etc.).

In response to questions on 19th century Scottish flatware included in the Compendium, it is one area that was not comprehensively covered. We made the decision to be more representative than comprehensive for something as common as pieces in that category. We obviously did not even begin to cover what has appeared on the markets for this category. We tried to provide representative styles and examples from various provincial locations of flatware as well as rarer earlier examples. Many of those flatware listings were in museums since we hope they may be a stable resource and potentially viewable by those interested in a particular piece, maker or mark. Obviously, it can be very difficult to determine whether a style of provincial-made spoons may be 12 separate spoons or the same single spoon appearing 12 times (if it lacks specific engraving). For this reason, the concentration was more on hollowware than flatware for pieces after 1800.

Hope this helps.
Rod

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