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IshmaelRibar

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iconnumber posted 01-21-2008 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IshmaelRibar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hello all,

This may be a easy question, but I'm going to ask anyway: I just picked up a pair of sauce ladles from 18th Century London. They are identical right down to the hallmarks, which are also identical except the maker's mark on one appears to have either been effaced or was never there. In my research on sauce ladles of the period, I couldn't find any examples where this was not the case. So, question: Was the second ladle ever marked with the maker? And if not, was this common practice on other sets? Thanks for your help all.

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 01-21-2008 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"A picture is worth a thousand words". This is especially true when asking questions. It must be remembered that your description could quite well be different than mine. You will receive better information if a photo is provided, different views of the item/items is best to help whoever answers. Remember there is no such thing as a trivial/dumb question just trivial/dumb answers.

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IshmaelRibar

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iconnumber posted 01-21-2008 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IshmaelRibar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this isn't the best but:

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adelapt

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iconnumber posted 01-21-2008 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelapt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What your pics say to me is that the maker's marks were originally weakly struck, and one's worn off entirely. I guess you've looked at it under daylight and raking light for sign of an impression, but if not, something may show up.

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OWK

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iconnumber posted 01-23-2008 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OWK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I am not mistaken, you can actually see a ghost of a mark on the photo of the unmarked piece.

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tmockait

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Try putting tracing or tissue paper over the spot where the marks ought to be and then a pencil over the paper. It may reveal remanants of a mark you cannot see.

Tom

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swarter
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You can also try breathing on it as you would to clean eyeglasses, and as the condensation moisture evaporates, it may reveal a faint mark should one be present.

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silverhunter

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Hello IschmaelRibar,

I've read your topic again and found dating information about the spoons. Nice old spoons by the way!(Where is the rest outside the marks?). The date letter concern 1794 but perhaps you knew that already.

Same patterns, made by the same maker that's my opinion.

In the 18th century they also made mistakes with production to forget to put the stamp in the silver sometimes.

I've one spoon with two silversmith marks

stamped over each other. Who sold that spoon?

Have you already described the makers mark, which initials are standing inside the mark?

PB and AP ?(or do you know now which silversmith it has made?). I have a old digital camera and with lenses from old dia-or film projector/s you can use these ones to use them for photographing close silvermarks.

(by pressing a lens at your camera body).

and focus by hand, try to rest with the hand
at a fast object. I think that the digital cameras from nowadays (of course the more expensive one's) have also a micro photographing possibility. But I prefer to try out with some old lenses.(or I'm not able to buy that better material like also the silver you see mostly at the topics).

I try to start a foundation in Holland but nobody will spend his time and money, I think!

Success and greetings,
andre.

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Clive E Taylor

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PB over AP ? Probably Peter Bateman and Anne Bateman - the poor lady had her bottom pinched !

[This message has been edited by Clive E Taylor (edited 02-17-2008).]

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