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nautilusjv

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iconnumber posted 10-16-2011 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nautilusjv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I bought this pair of napkin rings online. They were listed as plate, but I am sure the hallmarks indicate English sterling hallmarked London 1884, a date which makes sense with the aesthetic motifs engraved on the rings.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Kelly

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iconnumber posted 10-16-2011 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your interpretation of the hallmarks appears to be correct. Nice pieces. Congratulations.

I don't know if this qualifies as Chinoiserie, but the decoration seems to have an oriental flavor with the bamboo and birds.

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nautilusjv

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iconnumber posted 10-17-2011 07:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nautilusjv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Swarter for your confirmation.

I would say the pieces are more aesthetic especially with the 1884 date. Although these rings are English, bamboo, fern fronds, the bird, flowering branches all seem motifs common in American aesthetic pieces particularly in plate.

Thanks again, Kelly

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 10-21-2011 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At the time of the aesthetic movement in England there was a strong Japanese influence on matters of taste which will account for the oriental look of the decoration.

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nautilusjv

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iconnumber posted 10-21-2011 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nautilusjv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks David for your reply.

So true. It did always seem to me though that the Japanese influence was more ubiquitous in America than in the UK or that might be because I collect American Aesthetic plate. From the forum, I do know of Edward Barnard's Japanese flatware which is almost identical? to Gorham's Japanese (I guess there is a bit of a debate about this topic). Maybe others could post images of British sterling and plate that is influenced by Japanese art like the napkin rings I started this post with? I would love to see examples.

Thanks, Kelly

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 10-22-2011 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm afraid my collecting interest is largely pre-Victorian so I don't own any examples to share here, and I guess it would be cheating to copy one or two illustrations from books in my library!

David

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nautilusjv

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iconnumber posted 10-22-2011 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nautilusjv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had lunch today with a friend who is a dealer in American Aesthetic Silverplate. I brought the napkin rings to show her my find and then we discussed whether or not there was much Aesthetic silver produced in England. Her opinion was that there was notably by the maker Hukin & Heath, but much less than America and in England more traditional, Georgian forms continued to survive. She also had a gorgeous kettle on stand with Aesthetic motifs- fans, mons etc. and the frame looked like gnarled branches. If I can get a pic of it I will post it.

Cheers, Kelly

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doc

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I have not seen much in the way of British Aesthetic silverplate with Japanese influence, but there is certainly a great deal of Japanese influence in British pottery and china during that period.

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nautilusjv

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iconnumber posted 10-25-2011 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nautilusjv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your reply doc. You are quite right that English Aesthetic creativity had a full blossoming in pottery and porcelain.

I collect brown and black Aesthetic transferware patterns. Here are 2 prime examples:

1) A 7.375" dark brown transferware plate in the "Miako" pattern by Powell, Bishop and Stonier, c. 1880.

2) A 7.75" brown transferware plate in the "Chesterfield" pattern by John Gildea, pattern registered 1886.


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