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dpross

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iconnumber posted 09-10-2010 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dpross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Good evening all
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I'm truly baffled with this recently acquired salver. 10" in diameter, footed, weighs 500 grams. Where do I start? LOL

Engraved decoration of 4 angels? with coat of arms in the center. Hallmarked early 18th century on the front, the back is a gift inscription reading "The gift of lady Irwin & Lady Mary Howard to their God Daughter Anima Joy" with "1511" in the center and some other small star like marks.

The piece doesn't appear to be early 18th century, but earlier?

Any input greatly appreciated, I have a number of photos, will post a few this time.

TIA,
Danny

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 11-10-2011 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I must have missed this when it was first posted. Unless I am missing something else now, I don’t think the salver should be particularly baffling. The marks seem to be for London 1730. That date is consistent with the relatively rare octafoil shape. The 15.11 is a scratch weight: 15 troy ounces and 11 pennywieght. But I can’t explain the starlike marks.

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wev
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iconnumber posted 11-10-2011 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lady Irwin is likely Anne Howard (c 1696-1764), who married Richard Ingram, 5th Viscount Irwin in 1717. Lady Mary (c 1695-1746)was her sister.

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 11-10-2011 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A penny has just dropped. I imagine we held back from commenting originally because we were waiting for more of an introduction from the enquirer. If this was a trade enquiry that may have been a good thing!

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swarter
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iconnumber posted 11-10-2011 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With only one post to the new registrants credit, it is obvious that was the case, but no one had asked for more information from the poster who may not have bothered to read the rules for posting. Scott has been moving old posts from the newbie forum to the appropriate specialized forums where they might get some attention or provide information for the appropriate interested parties - after the time lapse it is unlikely that the poster will find it here, but even if he should, and although the information here given is new, the time requirements for selling an item after posting technically may have been met. If not, it shouldn't have been resurrected.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 11-11-2011 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The New Member did the post and WEV asked:
quote:
Please review the posting guidelines and do not post images as links

You would also be well served to re-read the large yellow box and introduce yourself as is suggested.

[This message has been edited by wev (edited 09-10-2010).]



Since:
  1. No response to WEV'S Request.
  2. The New Member's only post, ever.
  3. Never an intro by the new member.
  4. The photos were gone (originally not posted correctly).
  5. It had been over a year....
  6. etc.

I removed the bla bla (ie., snips, comments, requests, etc.), restored the photos, identified the original thread number, made the post more readable, corrected spelling/typo's and moved the post from the New Member's to the British / Irish Sterling forum.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 11-11-2011 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well it seems dpross aka Danny when he first did his post turned on notifications... today via email
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Kindly stop sending me these "notifications", since I'm unable to answer
the snide comments, a year later yet. Collectors my ass...

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wev
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iconnumber posted 11-11-2011 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, that's me all over.

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