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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 06-07-2014 05:48 AM
Now trying the next version of the photo hosting trial. Sorry for the variable quality of these pictures - just using photos that happen to be on this computer. I thought it might be mildly interesting to illustrate a few different strainer spoons. I guess they all had slightly differing uses but when I attempt to theorise about this I notice a pitying look in my wife's eye. She is rightly convinced that I have no grasp of cookery. [This message has been edited by agphile (edited 06-07-2014).] IP: Logged |
Polly Posts: 1971 |
posted 06-07-2014 11:37 AM
How does your wife think they were used? IP: Logged |
agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 06-07-2014 01:43 PM
Polly I'll have to ask her. So far it has just been amusement at whatever explanation I offer. I'll come back to you. David IP: Logged |
agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 06-08-2014 03:25 PM
Polly Sorry for the delay in coming back to you. My wife denies ever mocking my attempt to explain the use of straining spoons. Indeed, she denies ever having heard me attempt an explanation. I sometimes suspect that she just doesn’t pay attention because, for some reason, she does not fully understand the attraction of accumulating old spoons (even though she does profess to like some of them). Be that as it may, we have now chatted about the use of straining spoons, recognising that neither of us knows enough about the food and serving practice of the time to be definitive. I think all the spoons were for dining room rather than kitchen use. I had originally assumed they were all versions of the so-called olive spoon, intended for straining meat or poultry “olives” from the liquid in which they had been cooked. However, in his book “The Albert Collection” Robin Butler only describes the bottom of the three spoons shown below as an olive spoon. The other two he calls straining spoons. However, the second spoon in my original post, with its central divider, was probably used differently. I have seen it said that its purpose was to skim the gravy and hold back the fat floating on top. That seems plausible to us. The middle spoon here and the last one in my original post are intriguing. As it happens, they illustrate a point I was aware of: the half cover can occur on either side of the bowl. I have never done a count to try and establish whether one side was more popular. It seems to me unlikely that the 18th century was making special provision for left-handers. Perhaps there were different uses depending on whether it was the juice or the solid that was meant to be transferred to the plate. I actually find it hard to see a particular advantage to this design and would be happy to be educated if any forum member knows more.. David IP: Logged |
Polly Posts: 1971 |
posted 06-08-2014 11:25 PM
David, your wife sounds a lot like my husband! I have nothing very useful to add (except wouldn't melted fat flow through the holes?), but I look forward eagerly to reading others' contributions to the discussion. IP: Logged |
agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 06-09-2014 04:13 AM
You may be right about the fat, but the assumption was that there would have been time for it to cool and congeal a bit given the distance between kitchen and dining room and the longer time taken over dinner back then. Or were there perhaps other nasties to skim off? IP: Logged |
seaduck Posts: 351 |
posted 06-10-2014 10:11 PM
agphile -- what are the lengths of the three spoons in your last post? Wondering how these strainer spoons are different from "mote" spoons....length? Are mote spoons a subset of strainer spoons? IP: Logged |
agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 06-11-2014 03:41 AM
The sizes given in the book are, from top to bottom, 14.75 inches, 11.9 inches and 10.75 inches. Interestingly, mote spoons were referred to as tea strainer spoons back in the 18th century. IP: Logged |
agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 12-19-2015 12:49 PM
I am coming back to this topic because I have added another spoon to this sub-set of the collection, and this time with a detachable strainer. 12 inches long and by Abraham Barrier, London, 1775-80 (date letter worn, but Barrier entered this mark in 1775. The spoon is bottom marked and top marking was introduced in 1781). It has made me realise something. I had assumed one reason for having a detachable strainer was economy. It allowed the spoon to be dual purpose. That might have been true in some cases, but not here. You will see that there is also a row of piercing in the bowl of the spoon. The complete ensemble will have been more expensive to make but restricted to the one use. The benefit is a matter of hygiene. It will have been much easier to clean properly. Of course, this may have been self-evident to everybody else, but I’m afraid the penny has been slow to drop for me. IP: Logged |
asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 12-22-2015 10:50 AM
I like that example! Very nice. Is the detachable piece hallmarked? (just the lion passant) IP: Logged |
agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 12-22-2015 12:16 PM
No, it is not marked. I assume the maker treated it as a separate item that could be deemed too small to be conveniently marked. I imagine the associated piercing of the spoon bowl was done after hallmarking so the Assay Office would not have known there was a piece to be added. IP: Logged |
agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 11-14-2017 01:46 PM
[ I got this wooden handled straining spoon a couple of month ago. It is by Richard Crossley, London, 1801. I am sharing it now partly as a result of trying unsuccessfully to upload multiple photos in one go and not wanting to waste the photos. But the interesting thing is its size, a massive 21¾ inches long. That is 6 inches longer than my biggest basting spoon [This message has been edited by agphile (edited 11-19-2017).] IP: Logged |
asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 11-15-2017 10:10 AM
Great example! Richard Crossley made some fine flatware. IP: Logged |
Polly Posts: 1971 |
posted 11-15-2017 12:12 PM
These are beautiful. [This message has been edited by Polly (edited 11-15-2017).] IP: Logged |
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11573 |
posted 01-30-2018 08:51 PM
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